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ARCHIVED COPY OF WILD NEXRAD THEORY THREAD
This is an archived copy of a thread that took place at ChemtrailCentral
starting on February 6, 2004 when I posted my study regarding radar anomalies to the forum.
Since the study was specifically about anomalies reported and promoted by
RadarMatrix.com, a forum member contacted the
author (known as "electricmojoman") of the RadarMatrix theories. Electricmojoman visited
the forum and a "discussion" ensued.
This is an archive of that discussion. Only exchanges between Electricmojoman and myself
(letxa2000) are included, except for some cases where his reply to someone else provided
additional information about his beliefs or his mindset. The full thread can be viewed by clicking
here but
there was little additional value contributed by other forum members inasmuch as clearing
up the RadarMatrix theory. Most of the rest of the thread was flaming, ridiculing, etc.
During the discussion it was my
intention to talk only about the radar anomalies since radar anomalies are clearly
visible and identified. I did not want to get into his whole theory because it was outside
the scope of my study and if we started talking about other theories I'd never be able to
get a straight answer on the radar anomalies. I believe I was patient and I did not take
him to task on comments he made in the thread that were clearly absurd in the hope that being
polite and not rejecting his other claims would increase the possibility of him actually
answering my radar anomaly questions. That did not occur.
Many of the claims he made go unanswered or unrefuted in the thread below. If you'd like to see
my commentary (made after the fact) on all the claims he made, please
click here.
Text in Red was posted by Electricmojoman, text in
Blue was posted by me (lexta2000). Text in
italics indicates text quoted from the other person.
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-07-2004 02:12 PM
I am the owner of Radarmatrix and I will gladly add my 2 cents. I do need to take some time
and go thru Letxa2000's post because it is rather long winded but I definitely give Kudos to
the poster! This is the most I've had someone try and discredit my views and to be honest,
why someone would spend so much time trying to discredit something he didn't believe is a
bit odd! I am no scientist and I base my views on Facts, Patents, Documents and my common
sense. Much of my views are also based on 3 years of observation. DAILY!
Before I get into the details of Letxa2000's post, I need him to answer a few things just
so I know his common sense is intact.
First would be that he does recognize that the government has been trying to change weather
for sometime now! At this point I should not have to provide the documentation because it
is on my site and I assume he has seen them. This question alone will make or break him
because it is the Pandora's box of common sense!
Second would be that he recognizes the Patents for HAARP and how they are used to interact
with the Ionosphere and to create Ionospheric mirrors.
Third would be that he explain why only Billings and North Platte shoot these things
that I term "electrical fingers" No other radars do this! These 2 radars have been
EXTREMELY active in the last few months. Both were very dormant in the summer.
Forth would be explaining why only 10% of the radar cause blast, which mostly happened
around 2000 to the beginning of 2003. They have calmed down a whole lot now. Also that
he accepts that I have shown proof that a blast has actually sparked highs, lows and also
those "magnetic strips" that are seen on Satellite. "Magnetic strips" are what I term them.
Fifth would be that he understands the vacuum that is created as the sun comes and goes.
Especially along the East side of the rocky mountain ridge. This vacuum is key.
One must have a running understanding of electricity and magnetics to understand how
this electrical grid works. Most of our radars now are polarmeteric. Which means they
do not scan in one direction anymore. They now scan by sending out a vertical signal
and a horizontal signal. Basically reading in 3D. This is a lot of electricity being
thrown out by radars. You have 140 in the US. Of which some are at military bases and
a far more powerful. Chemtrails, in my view, are used to make the air over radars more
conductive. Carnicom has done a lot of studies and found that Barium is a key
ingredient. Barium is found in magnets and if you ever get a cat scan you'll be drinking
Barium before hand. If you locate your main radar and study in that direction over a
year, you will see that a vast amount of the trails are sprayed in that direction and
they tend to stick there!
Weather control is very easy to understand when you keep in mind that we live inside an
electrical grid. There are 4 main points of control: HAARP basically is for the
jetstream, LOWS are used to steer a system, cold dense air is a conductor for the
electricity and the rocky mountain wall is used to add electricity that creates a front
that backs up energy or to let it build up.
HAARP is basically a Huge magnet. When HAARP starts pulsing at higher MHz, it heats
straight up and basically plugs into all the electricity surrounding our planet. In fact
HAARP's position is more important than anything else. It is located underneath the
"Electrojet." This is where all the Sun's energy coagulates. This is full of energy!
In regards to the jetstream, if it is going over alaska and HAARP comes on, it will
effectively create a pivot point in which the jetstream will not be able to dip below
it but will come down into the US just over the Rockies. At the beginning of this Fall
we had a very bad cold spell in the US. It was WAY to early to get that kind of cold but
this was the system that brought it in. HAARP was pulsing at the time. HAARP also can
Attract the jetstream up from the gulf. Much like a magnet. Obviously this is my
belief and not scientific. As for the connection from HAARP to the radars I have stepped
back from that view for now. Accept when I see Billings Spark the "Electrical fingers"
in HAARPS direction. I see a lot more correlation and connection between the 2 in summer
time when the vacuum swells become so huge that, at the peak of the vacuum, the whole US
will fire up storms. From top to bottom. I do believe HAARP has a help in drawing the
vacuum harder.
If you ever see a gravity map of the US, you will see that gravity is the greatest over
Alaska (where HAARP is) and down the Rocky Mountains. Gravity and magnetism are very
closely related. The earth has a north and south pole and a magnetic structure around
it. The way you make a magnet is by running a direct current thru something. Anything
can be magnetised! Weather included. Especially with Barium and metals thrown in. Electrical
lines have a magnetic field. The mountains being so high up and more gravity means that
more electricity build up along this ridge. Many Many times you will see a front start
on the mountains. Energy gets back up here.
It is my belief that Billings is charging this line when it sparks southward. Which in
the last few months I would guestimate that this radar has sparked south on average 3
times a day. Easily! Again, only Billings and North Platte do these kinds of returns
on a regular bases. This is fact! I save animations every day!
Now for the main control...LOWS. Take some time and watch the Colorado Ridge. When a
low gets stuck on this ridge the vacuum will increase its size and power. This last
system we had was all controlled from that one low. From that juncture it allows
moisture to be pulled up from the gulf and collide with the cold fronts. Often times
you will see the "question mark" effect of weather that spreads from Texas all the way
north into a loop. 3 times last year we had hurricane size lows go across the US. They
all started on the ridge. It was only last year that I noticed this ridge of radars
flare up on purpose! From there I believe a low can be steered from radar to radar.
Especially in this extremely cold dense air. Cold Dense Air is supper conductive. Many
of you will notice the amount of shocks you get during this time. The electrical field
is right on top of you. In the document "Owning the weather by 2025," fog was a big part
of what they wanted to create. One reason is to be hidden but the main part is because
fog is so highly conductive to electricity and EMP's (electrical magnetic pulses). In
the fog you have radars, cell towers, GWEN towers and so on adding electricity around
you. When Wellstone's plane went down it was in this type of environment.
Many of you who have visited my site know that I personally caught the "magnetic strip"
that sparked as his plane went down. It showed up on Satellite and those 2 little prongs
went on both sides of the airport. That is more than a coincidence! There is a Professor
Fetzer from Minnesota that is claiming that Wellstone's plane was taken out by an EMP.
I believe this to be true and I have sent Wellstone's lawyers and family my findings!
This also brings into focus what the Deceased Astronauts discovered before they died.
They were the first of ALL the astronauts to discover "Red Arcs of Light" circling the
earth. Just little red strips firing away. NO OTHER ASTRONAUT has witnessed these! I
believe they witnessed Star Wars in action. I believe that the "magnetic strip" I
caught for Wellstone are the exact same things they discovered!
In the summer time watch a radar in Texas located at Dyess AFB. It sits smack dab
in-between the most volatile air on earth. Tornado Alley. In this region a radar can
actually ignite long lines of storms. Last year I caught this radar triggering storms
for almost 48 hours. There was no activity on the radar accept from it's center
northwards. it looked like a match with fire coming off it!
These are some random views so I will let you all chomp on them for a while. I have had
many people try and discredit me and none have come close to convincing me otherwise.
My belief is solid because I do stem my work from the point of common sense that our
military wants to control the weather. George Washington himself won a battle by
attacking in the dead of winter. Which was unheard of back then. So even in the
earliest times of America, weather has been a factor of war. It is a great asset and it
can be a great Burden. I did also call my local news channel and had one guy tell me
point blank that the chemtrail activity was the military doing exercises. As you
could imagine, my mouth dropped! I think 911 is allowing this to continue under
the security perception! Obviously our representatives and American's would not be so
keen on knowing the Government can control weather which is why we have ENRONS. They
are a front to milk money to pay for this. The Patents for HAARP are sitting in the
hands of OIL/ENERGY firms. Our government right now is being ran by the same people.
Enron was Bush's number one contributor. His father was the spokesman for Star Wars.
They own it and few people know the true reality of what it is.
Star Wars and this electrical grid has its place if and when a nuke comes at us. Being
that true missile defense comes from creating an atmosphere were you can send out an
EMP and discharge the electronics of the missile. This is all Tesla 101 and is also
common sense. The whole "bullet to Bullet" defense is a joke and a smoke screen!
Fortunately, nukes are not an everyday occurrence. So weather control best suits
their money making ways. See ENRON and what they did to California for justification.
That was on the heels of one of the hottest summers ever. That summer they did not
have one blackout because Jim Jeffords switch parties and gave Dems subpoena power.
Then Enron Fell! Chemtrails and the layers of crap that it creates will trap in
UV rays. This may very well be what Global warming is from! I have actually witnessed
a full campaign of spraying only to see the planes disappear and the sandy substance
left behind get cooked away. On those night I could taste a chlorine/metallic taste
in the air. When this happened I would stare at the stars as if I were looking thru
a magnifying glass. I honestly wonder about this affect on us. Especially when the sun
is out!
Chemtrails are real and anyone who sits and watch a clear blue sky get over cast from
these high flying planes knows the truth. I have video taped it one to many times
and correlated it with "NASA's contrail prediction program" (also located on my site)
and it never lines up. The humidity is low and in many of my videos I tape regular
planes that are on the SAME PLAIN and one will have a normal contrail and the other
goes from skyline to skyline and fans out. I know what I see and when you type
"Chemtrails" into google, 50,000 pages can't just be a conspiracy!
On the note of chemtrails, The 2002 winter Olympics was one of the first MAJOR
weather experiments I documented. I suggest you check it out on my web page. Read about
how the Department of Energy's Atmospheric Research Program (why the DOE is involved in
weather is a mystery) but read how they performed test over Salt Lake by spraying
"perfluorocarbon tracers" over the area. It was a major experiment! Perfluorocarbon
tracers have been put inside the new 20 dollar bills and possibly others to trace large
sums of money from satellite. You wanna talk about being marked well here is a starting
place to study!
Watch the whole series of animations leading up to and past the Olympics. IT WAS THE MOST
VOLATILE TIME IN MY STUDIES FOR RADAR BLAST AND BEAMS! This whole time was a HUGE
experiment. On the day of the opening Ceremonies, in which Bush is to give an opening
speech, 3 radars north of Salt Lake, HELD a weather pattern. I did save a lot of it but
what I didn't save only would show more time of what I have. Those 3 radars had this
plasma like look to them. All the energy circled the radars for the whole day. Until
just before the ceremonies when they let go and all the energy seemed to drip down the
US. Now the DOE's experiment over Salt Lake is sound evidence of a weather experiment
folks. Those animations I provide show you all you need to see to get a good grasp. I
have told you the points that control this. If you are not subscribed to weathertap.com
I suggest you do. It will show you the electricity. It is the best there is! It will show
you all the blast, beams, sparks, static etc.
My web page only has limited space so much of my proof sits on my computer and not on
my web page so keep that in mind folks. Common sense dictates here. It does not take a
large leap to believe weather modification is in place. Here are some titles on my site
under PROOF.
[Links were not provided, just names of documents. Presumably the documents can be found
on RadarMatrix.com[/url].
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-07-2004 05:11 PM
Letxa: On Friday, January 23, 2004 I programmed my computer to download radar images
from both Billings MT and Brownsville TX once each minute. The images are generally
updated every 5 or 10 minutes, so by downloading the image every minute I was
confident I wouldn't miss any. I later expanded the program to also download radar
images for Seattle, Reno NV, Minot AFB, Denver, Salt Lake City, Brownsville TX, Anchorage
AK, and Fairbanks AK."
My report: There are only 2 radars that are very active right now. One being Billings MT
and the other being North Platte NE. In between you will find some activity out of the 3
radars in Nevada beaming. One cannot just up and study all radars that I speak of ,in
such a short time, and come to a conclusion or expect activity. To do so would be to
conclude that weather modification is a daily thing. It is not! I posted my BILLINGS
challenge because it is the most active and lately it has been going absolutely bonkers!
Letxa: "Two things here are of interest. One is that of "when the sources are terrestrial
they are usually well-known to the radar operators, and keep appearing at the same angle."
The other is that the sun is another potential source of radiation near sunrise and sunset
which may create a "sharp line of echo"--or a "beam," so to speak."
My report: This is very true. The sunrise and sunset will trigger the sharp line echos
that go across the US. However, of late these sharp line echos are going off in between
those times at a more frequent pace! Sometimes just in certain regions.
Letxa: "Regarding "blast" or "nuclear explosion" images surrounding a given NEXRAD
site: "Nicknamed "nuclear explosions" by some meteorologists, these patterns occur when
the radar operator places the WSR88D doppler radar into a test or calibration mode. They
are supposed to set the radar status to "offline" (in which case you'll see a message
on the image saying so) but sometimes they don't, and you get the resulting circular
test pattern sent to the radar distribution network. These are rare, and usually are
gone within the hour. Don't worry, the radar operators don't usually conduct these tests
during storm activity."
My Report: This one is very easy to discredit. I have mentioned on my site that only
10% of the radars produce these blast. If what they say was true then all of the radars
would do this at certain points and times. These blast do not just happen and go away.
They go off for hours at a time. So unless the controller is sitting there flicking
the switch then there is something else involved. We also need to note that if this
energy is being blasted out and showing up on national radar, then obviously the energy
is real. I preceeded to prove that fact, in my 3rd column, by showing these blast were
affecting the air with a blast causing a Low and a blast sparking a "magnetic strip."
In the 2002 olympic series of animations, a KY radar blasted a ring that was about 6
states wide that looked liked a donut with the center cut out. It blasted for a very
long time and a huge high dome formed. I know all about this one personally because a
line of showers hit that bubble and rode over it. Giving St. Louis rain for a very long
period of time. It was a narrow band of showers that would not move east one bit. It
just rode the bubble. As for the Beams, one needs to study Nevada radars. In
particular Reno Nevada! Which I believe to be a weapon of some sort! You will not
catch many others sending out a beam accept on rare occassion. One final problem here
is the different types of blast. Someone saying that it is just from a person switching
modes is one thing but now they would need to explain each type. And I mean to tell you
there is a lot of explaining to do here! As for ground clutter and flocks of birds.....
it is one of the funnier things I have heard. Like I said, only 10% show these blast so
apparently the other 90% do not have birds or ground clutter problems!
Letxa:
From: Billings MT NEXRAD Operator
To: letxa2000
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:07:11 -0600
Subject: Spokes Question
"Thanks for your question concerning the WSR-88D imagery from Billings,
MT. We recently sent a team of engineers and technicians from our
organization to Billings to determine the cause and resolution plan.
This pattern is caused by interference from radars transmitting near
the same frequency. We are taking action to change transmit
frequencies in the area in order to avoid reoccurrence of the anomalous
patterns.
Thank you for your interest in WSR-88D data and the quality of the
data. Please contact me if you have additional questions."
My report: This radar has been doing this for over 3 years and just now they
are looking into it? The second problem is that it sparks in 2 directions. In the
summer it will spark towards Alaska and in the winter it sparks southward. Though
it will do both at different times also. If you all get a chance, check out a relief
map of the US and how the Rockies go around Billings. I also do remember seeing a
60 minutes, or something to that affect, talking about the energy corruption in
Billings. This would be a good place to do some investigating as well!
Letxa (quoting NOAA radar operator): "Under certain atmospheric conditions
and if the antennas of adjoining radars happen to be pointing at each other, it
is possible for the sensitive receiver at one site to detect some of the energy
from another radar even though they are tuned to different frequencies."
Why is this and North Platte the only ones having this problem? And several times a
day every day of the week and every week of the month?
Letxa (quoting NOAA radar operator): "Multiple spokes occur because the beam
from the other radars is very wide at long range and there are reflections of
energy. The antennas of both radars are turning. This is a case of "ducting" where
the radar beam is bent downward rather than propagating on a normal path of higher
altitude. Not all interference is the same."
By saying this I should assume that both of these radars, Great Falls and Riverton,
would show a beam everytime Billings Sparks. I sincerely doubt this. Again, no other
radars have this problem. Accept North Platte. If the Great Falls and Riverton
radars are affecting this radar so much then I can only conclude that there is a
power grid between them.
Letxa: "If one analyzes the "spoking" at Billings, one finds that the spokes
occur at the same radials (angles) each time."
Not true, at this particular point it is but a two weeks study of time. Which is not
much time to make a valid statement on this. Again, if this radar is sparking energy
towards the mountains and towards alaska, then it seems to me to be connected to
more than ground clutter. There are many other radars around the mountains that
have no problem like this.
I would like to see these "spokes" from these radars that you speak of. They surely
are not the Spokes that Billings is doing. Are you saying that the spokes, which seem
to be evenly spaced, are hitting mountain tops? I think your refering to the echo
beams that go off at sunrise and sunset.
On to Reno Nevada, boy could I show you some weird stuff from this radar! As
for this response:
Letxa (quoting NOAA radar operator): "Spikes, wedges, strobes, starbursts
and other anamolies can arise from other sources other than the sun, including
aircraft, three-body scatterers such as large hail (this
one actually says something about the severity of the storm),
ground based - wireless - cable TV - and other transmissions,
88-D failures (usually temporary and associated with
maintenance). Given the east direction of the spikes in your
figures, the signals might be originating from transmissions
from aircraft associated with flights out of the naval airbase
in Fallon, although this is only speculation since I have no
means to verify. I hope this explanation helps"
Again, when it comes to Beams, not the sunrise/sunset beams, but actual scanning
beams, Nevada is the motherload. Many times you can catch Reno, Las Vegas, Elko NV
and Cedar City UT all beaming at one another. This region is full of Odd activity!
You won't find other radars doing this stuff!
Letxa: According to GlobalSecurity.org, "The Fallon Range Training Complex (FRTC) is enclosed
within a Military Operating Area (MOA) which overlays 6.5 million acres. Embedded within
the MOA are four separate training ranges: Bravos 16, 17, 19, and 20; an integrated air
defense system comprised of 37 real or simulated radars throughout the Dixie Valley
area; and a supersonic flying area. The four ranges and various electronic warfare sites
comprise 84,000 acres of withdrawn land (1.3% of the MOA). The entire FRTC is
instrumented with a Tactical Aircrew Combat Training System (TACTS).""
This really just makes a point that they are militarized. We could come up with all
kinds of conspiracies of what the Beams are for. The main question would be, why do
all the radars in that are have a tendency to Beam at one another or cross their
beams? I thought dopplar radar was a spinning mechanism that sends out radio waves?
how do we get to beams in one direction? Also note that I have and animation of the
Reno NV radar, in which you can see a distinct section of the radar move opposite
the spin and then shoot out a large beam. Reno NV is a very very strange radar.
At certain times it looks almost like a large underground satellite dish. it just
sites there and hums with no rotation at all. And it is radiating a very large
section of the ground. I do believe this one to be a weapon!
As for the rest, I stated earlier that not all are doing something just as weather
modification is NOT done every day. I think your term spoke is a bit off from what I
am speaking of. I would term Billings and North Platte as spokes and the Nevada radars
as full out Beams!
Letxa: SUMMARY OF DATA 1. The stations at Fairbanks and Anchorage--the two stations closest to HAARP--showed
absolutely no "spoke" activity other than daily sunrise and sunset at times and at angles
consistent with sunrise and sunset. The lack of activity was mutually confirmed (Anchorage
acted as verification for Fairbanks, and Fairbanks as verification for Anchorage).
Obviously!
Letxa: 2. Seattle--the station in the far northwest of the continental U.S. through which HAARP
energy is supposed to pass--showed absolutely no spoke activity other than daily sunrise
and sunset at times and at angles consistent with sunrise and sunset. This was confirmed by
the Portland OR station as well as the Spokane WA station.
As I stated in my first response. I have backed away from the channeling of HAARP's energy
to the rockies. This does not mean that I do not believe it but it is harder to prove.
Seattle often times has what i term, "Electrical Fingers" coming out of it. They tend to
be black with several going one way and several going another. Question is why and why
this radar? I find it very unusual. My original reason for this connection was because
of my views on Billings. It has always been the most active! You should study the Unisys
High and Low map and correlate how often you see fronts form along the Rockies and
Decide wether or not Billing's Sparks are adding to that in some way. Not to mention
all the radars along the rockies!
Letxa: 3. Spoke activity at Billings MT was adequately explained by NOAA's operator of the Billings
NEXRAD site. Occasional spokes represent interference from neighboring NEXRAD stations in
Riverton WY and Great Falls MT.
A lot of holes in this arguement!
Letxa: 4. No spoke activity was noted at radar stations that neighbor Billings (Glasgow MT and
Riverton WY) at the times that Billings showed spoking. Nor, at any time, were spokes
consistent with the Billings station observed in any of the neighboring stations.
The Glasgow and Riverton Radars were a focus of mine when I was watching the 2002
Olympics modifications. Other than that I cannot say they are major players.
Letxa: 5. Riverton WY--noted at RadarMatrix as part of the chain transmitting energy south along
the Rocky Mountains--was completely without abnormal behavior. It showed absolutely no
spoke activity other than daily sunrise and sunset at times and at angles consistent with
sunrise and sunset. This was confirmed by the Cheyenne WY station. Riverton was, in fact,
one of the "cleanest" sites monitored.
I still believe that the radars along the Rockies, by virtue of their height and their
electrical output, increases the energy along this ridge. If you do believe weather
modification is possible and understand that weather moves from east to west, the
rockies become a logical place to hold energy or build it up.
Letxa: 6. Denver--also noted at RadarMatrix as part of the chain transmitting energy
south along the Rocky Mountains--was without abnormal behavior.
Without activity meaning you are not seeing blast or beams I suppose? Denver in particular
often times catched lows and freezes them there. This is something that a conductive
material sprayed or even a combination of height to a low helps a radar attach itself to
a low.
Letxa: 7. Brownsville TX, San Antonio, and Corpus Christi all demonstrated a complete lack of
spoking with the only spoke activity corresponding with daily sunrise and sunset at times and
at angles consistent with sunrise and sunset.
The only 3 radars that are worth watching in Texas are Dyess AFB for triggering storms,
Amarillo Tx for holding and steering a low and Galvestone TX.
Letxa: 8. Reno NV displayed spoke activity that was consistent with aircraft operation at the Top
Gun flight school at Fallon NAS. This was confirmed by taking spokes observed at the Elko
station and superimposing them on the Reno radar image. The resulting spoke intersection
was within the restricted airspace controlled by Fallon. 9. While no "blast" images were observed at any of the NEXRAD sites during this study, the
explanation regarding tests and calibrations seems to adequately explain the blast-type
images provided at RadarMatrix.
Again, I never stated that these radars blast all the time. Nor did I say they were active
all the time. In fact the radar blast, now a days, have calmed down considerably. One must
have jumped to the conclusion that I said that this was a constant and that in a short
time frame you would catch one. Not so! This is a major flaw in your over all research.
They way in which you attacked it did not come from a repectable position of contacting me
and asking my views. This could have saved you some un-needed work and time for your wife!=)
In closing: 2 weeks do not make up a study on what radars are up to..... unless something
is up. No? Maybe next time I see something going down you could pump up your system and
capture all this data for me. Also, Unless you watch weathertap, your not going to see a
lot of the anomalies unless you watch all radars at all times. Weathertap is the best
for showing the electricity and static in the air. It will also show you how Billings
and North Platte spark in unison. Have someone explain that because this is a pure fact
that has been happening for the last month or so. How can Billings' spark coinside with
a North platte spark based off of their explination? And why only these 2? This shows
another connection of electricity!
You cannot believe what a radar tech tells you or someone who is only programmed to
read a screen. They are told what to say. Ask a radar tech how fried he would get sitting
close to one of these radars. We are talking about electricity being thrown out into the
air here. Lets discuss the electricity factor! I am suggesting that with 140 radars
spinning out energy, GWEN towers and cell towers, coupled with chemtrails creates an
enviroment of electricity in the sky. That there is a connection in this grid. Only a
cerain few are players in controlling weather. When there is fog or cold dense air,
radar become involved. Not all, but some. My previous post spells out the simplicity
of control.
Your next study should be to get on CTTUSA chemtrail group and when someone post
heavy spraying, you call their local news or local air traffic controller and ask them
what those planes are that are spraying all those lines. You just may get lucky and
find someone who will spill a thing or 2 about military exercises.
I would also like to see you get these people at Nexrad to explain each type of radar
blast. Why some have cutout portions, why some look like electrical spokes, why the
New Orleans and Long island one produce a "spiral graph" return. This should be
interesting.
I came into this with pure speculation myself. It took me being outside on a clear
blue day and watching these high flying white plane show up, by the dozens, and cloud
my sky to finally wake up and study more. I lived right next to a major airport when
i first started studying these high white planes. I could not believe that they were
allowing all this taffic over an airport. I know that reality dictates that weather
modification and Star Wars are real by virtue of the documents found on military sites
and the publications. So the next question is how? Most of what I studied came from
a specific time when certain things were going down. My views on things have changed
from different theories thru the 3 years. Do me a favor and don't just study for 2
weeks. Try a year of studying your sky outside, locate your main radar and look in
its direction. This is of course you see what looks to be chemtrails on a regular
bases in your area. When big events happen like a Prominent Senator dying in a plane
wreck, go check the satellite and radars. Especially pay close attention to
everything come election time. Low Voter turnout is going to be needed for Bush on
that night so watch and see how much rain/snow or even cold hits the US and see
if you can correlate it to odd radar activity. Owning weather by the oil/energy
trade is a cash cow. Just by making it cold a few days early in the fall will
cause people to switch their thermostats from cool to heat. Even if it is on
automatic you are now switched over to continue the milking of money. See the
California Crisis for an example of this behavior.
This is my 2 cents. If you would like to go in depth email me at radarmatrix@aol.com
and we can dig deeper!
Posted By: letxa2000, 02-07-2004 10:16 PM
Good evening, mojo. Thanks for stopping by and commenting on my study.
Before I respond to some of your post, let me just reiterate that my study was on
the subject of the radar anomalies. I will respond to the points you have as they
relate to the anomalies but I am not planning on responding to those issues that are
not related directly to the anomalies. As I already said, my conclusion was not
directed at HAARP, weather modification, or chemtrails. It was simply a study of the
anomalies themselves and their probable source.
Electricmojoman: This is the most I've had someone try and discredit my views
and to be honest, why someone would spend so much time trying to discredit something
he didn't believe is a bit odd!
Because it was an interesting exercise and also because it's one of the few things
talked about here that I could actually monitor and study myself first-hand. My dad
also worked on radar in the Navy and then again in the private sector and when I ran
the RadarMatrix theory past him he was decidedly unconvinced. So I decided to launch
my own little investigation.
Electricmojoman: Third would be that he explain why only Billings and North Platte
shoot these things that I term "electrical fingers" No other radars do this!
The question itself is incorrectly worded. Just like 100 people can use a cordless
phone and not have any problem, one of them may constantly have interference. The
question isn't why the 100 people don't have interference but rather why that one
person does have interference.
I already explained why Billings has spokes.
I wasn't studying North Platte because I didn't see it as being of specific interest
on your site--had I been aware it was of interest, I would have studied it, too.
It may be nearby NEXRAD stations, interference from a new local radar or cell
station, etc. Have you emailed the radar operator at North Platte to ask? If it happens
often they're certainly aware of it and can probably give you an explanation.
Electricmojoman: Forth would be explaining why only 10% of the radar cause blast,
which mostly happened around 2000 to the beginning of 2003. They have calmed down a
whole lot now.
Since "blasts" are associated with calibration and maintenance, I'd assume that the
radars have now been calibrated successfully and that's why you don't see them as
much anymore. Radars don't need to be calibrated every day.
Electricmojoman: Also that he accepts that I have shown proof that a blast has
actually sparked highs, lows and also those "magnetic strips" that are seen on Satellite.
I do not accept that. I'd like to see the proof. I did not see it on your site which, I
must say, is hard to navigate without Internet Explorer and which isn't as organized
as I might like. If you could give me the link I'll check it out.
That said, I'd want proof. A correlation is not itself proof unless a direct relation
is demonstrated.
Electricmojoman: It is my belief that Billings is charging this line when it sparks
southward.
But do you have any proof that Billings is "charging" this line? Do you have any evidence
that a NEXRAD station is capable of doing any such thing? Have you seen a NEXRAD station
up-close and personal? I got my private pilot's license at Front Range Airport just
southeast of Denver International Airport. The Denver NEXRAD is at Front Range Airport
and it was "right there" every day I went to fly. It's not a huge instrument. Why
would HAARP need an antenna array but NEXRAD would be capable of "beaming" or
"charging" with such a small unit?
Electricmojoman: My Report: This one is very easy to discredit. I have mentioned on
my site that only 10% of the radars produce these blast. If what they say was true then
all of the radars would do this at certain points and times. These blast do not just
happen and go away. They go off for hours at a time. So unless the controller is
sitting there flicking the switch then there is something else involved.
That's illogical. Not all radars need to be calibrated at any given time, and when
they do need calibration the radar operator is supposed to disable the feed from
the radar. Sometimes you'll get a "No RADAR image available" from a station which is
what you should see instead of a blast if they're doing maintenance. I saw that
("no radar image available") from time to time on the sites I was monitoring. Had
they not disabled the feed I'm sure I would have seen "blasts" instead.
Perhaps the reduction in "blasts" is because more NEXRAD operators are being
reminded to disable the feed from their radar when they're working on it.
Electricmojoman: We also need to note that if this energy is being blasted out
and showing up on national radar then obviously the energy is real.
The national radar is a composite made up of the feeds from the individual NEXRAD sites.
The fact that it appears on national radar simply proves that the national radar image
is made up of individual NEXRAD sites, not that the energy is real.
Electricmojoman: My report: This radar has been doing this for over 3 years and
just now they are looking into it? The second problem is that it sparks in 2
directions. In the summer it will spark towards Alaska and in the winter it sparks
southward. Though it will do both at different times.
In my 2-week study I saw it do both. I still have those images archived if you'd like
to see them.
As for why they are just now looking into it, I can't say. Perhaps they've been
working on it since then. Make an adjustment, see how it does, try again, etc. The
interference involves Riverton, Great Falls, and Billings and a lot of mountains. To
suggest that it can be resolved by simply flipping a switch would be seriously
underestimating the complexity of interference.
If you have a solution to completely eliminate RF interference you'll be a rich man,
and not just in the radar industry.
Electricmojoman: By saying this I should assume that both of these radars, Great
Falls and Riverton, would show a beam everytime Billings Sparks. I sincerely doubt
this. Again, no other radars have this problem. Accept North Platte. If the Great
Falls and Riverton radars are affecting this radar so much then I can only conclude
that there is a power grid between them.
If this was a real phenomenon in the atmosphere, why would it only be visible at
Billings and never at Riverton or Glasgow? The fact that it only happens at
Billings and the same activity cannot be seen by other nearby sites would be accepted
in virtually any technical community as proof of an interference problem at Billings.
That Billings receives interference from Riverton and Great Falls does not
automatically mean the reverse is true. Just like someone in New York might suddenly hear
an AM radio station from Denver does not mean that someone in Denver will automatically
be able to hear an AM radio station from New York. It doesn't work that way.
Electricmojoman: I would like to see these "spokes" from these radars that you
speak of. They surely are not the Spokes that Billings is doing. Are you saying in
this that the spokes, which seem to be evenly spaced, are hitting mountain tops? I
think your refering to the echo beams that go off at sunrise and sunset.
No, I'm not talking of sunrise/sunset. Those result in a single beam to the southeast
or southwest. I'm talking about multiple spokes.
What email address should I forward the images to? I'll be happy to send you the
images. In fact, give me a day or two (when my wife isn't looking) and I'll throw them
up on a Geocities site so everyone can see them.
Electricmojoman: this really just makes a point that they are militarized. We
could come up with all kinds of conspiracies of what the Beams are for. The main
question would be, why do all the radars in that are have a tendency to Beam at
one another or cross their beams? I thought dopplar radar was a spinning mechanism
that sends out radio waves. how do we get to beams in one direction?
Yes, NEXRAD involves a spinning transmitter/receiver that takes a minimum of 12
seconds to do a complete 360 degree scan. But it's not like the old radars where
every time they spin around once we get an updated image. It spins around multiple
times at multiple angles above the horizon to come up with a single image called a
"volume scan." The images we see on the NOAA site are not from a single "pass" but
a combination of multiple scans at multiple angles above the horizon. Technical
details may be found here.
Why do all the radars have a tendency to "beam at one another?" They don't! If that
were the case when you see beams at Reno they'd be aimed directly at either Elko,
Cedar City, or Las Vegas. That's not what we see. What we see is "beams" from these
sites aimed at nothing in particular. Like you said, they "move around independently."
Not once did I see a beam directly between any of the NEXRAD sites. With triangulation
it was clearly coming from something mobile in the restricted area east of Reno.
Why do we see "beams" as a result of this activity? Many of the planes have their
own radars and if just so happens that their radar is pointed directly at a NEXRAD
site when the NEXRAD site is doing its scan, a beam will appear on NEXRAD. That's
also why the beams move around--because the planes move around.
The activity at Reno and Elko is perfectly consistent with the radars picking up
naval aircraft and completely inconsistent with the various NEXRAD sites "beaming
between each other."
Electricmojoman: Also note that i have and animation of the Reno NV radar, in
which you can see a distinct section of the radar move opposite the spin and then
shoot out a large beam. Reno NV is a very very strange radar. At certain times it
looks almost like a large underground satellite dish. it just sites there and hums
with no rotation at all. And it is radiating a very large section of the ground. I
do believe this one to be a weapon!
What do you mean "it just sits there and hums with no rotation at all?" What do
you mean "rotation?"
Electricmojoman: You should study the Unisys High and Low map and correlate how
often you see fronts form along the Rockies and Decide wether or not Billing's Sparks
are adding to that in some way. Not to mention all the radars along the rockies!
I'm not surprised that changing atmospheric conditions cause radar anomalies. I just
don't see anything to convince someone that the changing atmospheric conditions are
caused by the radar anomalies.
Electricmojoman: In closing: 2 weeks do not make up a study on what radars are up
to unless something is up. no? Maybe next time I see something going down you could
pump up your system and capture all this data for me.
I'd be happy to. I'd even be happy to put a webpage on my Internet server that would
let you enter a list of sites and it would constantly download them for you so it
wouldn't depend on me reacting fast enough. In one case you mentioned activity in
Missouri and I immediately turned on monitoring for the 3 sites in Missouri but I
was only in time to catch two images of it.
If we do this, I would simply ask that you not monitor every site constantly. If you
see something of interest, "turn it on" and then turn it off when you're done. Each
site generates about 30MB of graphics per week and you'll eat up all my hard drive
space and consume a lot of bandwidth if you leave it on constantly. But I'd be happy
to move my radar collection script from my local machine to my Internet server so you
can turn it on and off and we can look at the same data. Also if we do this I'd need a
little time since I'd need to give the program a web interface--right now it's an ugly
geek tool within Linux that runs in the background with no interface whatsoever.
I might even go one step further... as I mentioned earlier, I've become very interested
in radars and am seriously considering focusing my software development career in
that direction. As a first project I might be able to write a program that would
automatically analyze each image as it is downloaded and only keep the ones that
demonstrate some interesting anomaly. That's not a simple program to write, but it'd
be an interesting challenge and might even help me get some resume fodder for a
radar-related software job in the future.
Electricmojoman: You cannot believe what a radar tech tells you or someone who is
only programmed to read a screen. They are told what they are. Ask a radar tech how
fried he would get sitting close to one of these radars.
These are people trained to know what kind of anomalies to expect out of radar. What
is your radar training or why should we believe they don't know what they're talking
about?
As for "sitting close to one of these radars," how close? As I said, I used to do
flight training at Front Range Airport in Colorado and the Denver NEXRAD station was
right there. The only thing we had to do was avoid flying into it (which I was
successful at, I'm happy to say). But the NEXRAD tower itself was right there next
to the tarmac and right outside the building of the flight training building. No-one
got fried that I know of.
Electricmojoman: I would also like to see you get these people at Nexrad to explain
each type of radar blast. Why some have cutout portions, why some look like electrical
spokes, why the New Orleans and Long island one produce a "spiral graph" return. This
should be interesting.
Laying that burden on a single NEXRAD person would be begging to not receive a reply.
Rather, I'd suggest that you email the operator of each NEXRAD that produces a weird
image. That's how I got a response. I didn't ask the Reno NEXRAD operator about
something happening at Billings, etc.
Electricmojoman: This is my 2 cents. If you would like to go in depth email me at
radarmatrix@aol.com and we can dig deeper!
I'd be interested in continuing this, but here in public. Anything we do in private is
only of benefit to you and me. What we discuss here in the forum benefits everyone.
As of 2/7/2004 10:00pm CST I have re-started my program to capture images from
Billings, Glasgow, North Platte and Hastings.
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-07-2004 11:42 PM
Well thank for responding. To put the ease on those who are reading this, I am not
going to do a huge cut and paste job to score points on every sentence. You may be on
the up and up but I have to tell you this is usually the tactic of a disinformant.
I would like to make note that you failed to answer my first basic question I asked. I
find it hard to continue if someone will deny that weather modification has not been
tried for years and that documents such as "Owning the Weather by 2025" are found on
.MIL sites.
From there we can continue forward. I will also admit that your line of question was
not very impressive. You skirt some basic questions and an ability to catch my drift.
You may very well be too technical for your own good. Vice verse could be said for me.
I am a bit thrown that you do not even know of things that are on my site and that you
never bothered to contact we. Instead I hear about this from someone in here who did
the simple thing of hitting the CONTACT button on my site. Kudos indeed!
A 2 week study for anomalies was a waste of time and hopefully not of someone's money.
I layed out the specifics of radar control that is not found on my site. You cannot
challenge those without a decent amount of daily watching and observing.
Radar anomalies at this juncture of the game are far and few. Billings, North Platte,
Nevada and a few scattered blast are all that is caught. Your observation of calibrations
holds no water. I heard that line early in the game and accepted it on face value by my
own observation proved otherwise. I know for a fact that these blast have affected the
air as well! My common sense tells me that more than 10% need to be callibrated so under
your view I should, in 3 years, seen those other radars be callibrated.
I presented enough stuff in my post for you to study. Such as the Olympics, the DOE
experiments and the 4 ways weather is controlled. If you want to wipe the "radar anomaly"
off of you check list of things you don't believe, I won't hold it against ya=)
I stick to my views because I've known yours for quite some time. I've put the logic
to test. Your rebuttal of not knowing why in 3 years Billings can't get their shit
straight is a very resounding....I don't know. I wonder myself!
You can either go in 2 directions here. You can believe that Star Wars and weather
modification is not possible and walk away knowing you proved to yourself it is not
true. Or you can spend time watching Satellite, Radars, The sky outside, Highs and
lows and documenting blast/strange activity. I and many find direct correlations
between the activity and current news.
Anyways, my brain is beat tonight. Take care all.
Posted By: letxa2000, 02-08-2004 12:59 AM
Electricmojoman: Well thank for responding. To put the ease on those who are reading
this, I am not going to do a huge cut and paste job to score points on every sentence.
You may be on the up and up but I have to tell you this is usually the tactic of a
disinformant.
Answering every point is not a disinformant tactic. It's a logical approach to answering
claims point by point so as not to appear to be avoiding issues. The fact that you didn't
answer any of my questions is unfortunate. There are some serious questions I asked and
had hoped for a response.
Electricmojoman: I would like to make note that you failed to answer my first
basic question I asked. I find it hard to continue if someone will deny that weather
modification has not been tried for years and that documents such as "Owning the Weather
by 2025" are found on .MIL sites.
I didn't deny it. As I said in my original post that it was not the topic of the study.
Electricmojoman: From there we can continue forward. I will also admit that your line
of question was not very impressive. You skirt some basic questions and an ability to
catch my drift. You may very well be too technical for your own good. Vice verse could
be said for me.
The topic was and is radar anomalies. I will not skirt any question on that topic. But
I will not discuss the entire HAARP-Chemtrail-Weather Control debate until there is
some compelling reason to believe these events cannot be explained as normal radar
anomalies. That's what you really need to demonstrate before bringing in other issues.
If you can demonstrate that these aren't normal radar anomalies then, obviously, we
have to expand and consider other possibilities. But until then there is no logical
reason to look elsewhere to explain something that is fully documented as common
radar anomalies.
Electricmojoman: A 2 week study for anomalies was a waste of time and hopefully
not of someone's money. I layed out the specifics of radar control that is not
found on my site. You cannot challenge those without a decent amount of daily
watching and observing.
I'll let my first analysis speak for itself. I've seen the anomalies in question,
consulted professionals trained to work with them on a daily basis, and would have
been happy to leave my program running indefinitely if it appeared there was anything
to suggest that by leaving it running another 2 weeks, 2 months, or 2 years would
lead me to observe anything new. Nothing that I saw nor nothing that you've stated
suggests otherwise.
Electricmojoman: Radar anomalies at this juncture of the game are far and few.
Billings, North Platte, Nevada and a few scattered blast are all that is caught.
Your observation of calibrations holds no water. I heard that line early in the
game and accepted it on face value by my own observation proved otherwise. I know
for a fact that these blast have affected the air as well!
If you know it for a fact, please prove it rather than just saying you know it
for a fact. If, in fact, the radar anomalies are now "far and few" yet you believe
all this other stuff is, in fact, still happening then that would be consistent
with my conclusion that radar anomalies are not anything but radar anomalies since,
apparently, the HAARP/weather control/SDI operations are ongoing and the radar
anomalies are not. Like I said, I'm not arguing as to whether or not there is
HAARP activity, weather control, SDI, etc. I'm simply concluding that the radar
anomalies are most likely radar anomalies and nothing more.
Electricmojoman: My common sense tells me that more than 10% need to be
callibrated so under your view I should, in 3 years, seen those other radars be callibrated.
I wouldn't be surprised by that at all--except they may not appear as "blasts" but
just go offline with the "No Radar Image Available" message which occurs when a
radar is offline. I assume you've seen those messages, right? They're probably not
visible on the national composite image, but are visible when you are downloading
the images directly for each site.
Electricmojoman: I presented enough stuff in my post for you to study. Such as
the Olympics, the DOE experiments and the 4 ways weather is controlled.
You provide speculation and show some correlations, but I see no scientific
cause-effect. I can say that every time I need to relieve myself I go to the
washroom, but that doesn't mean that going to the washroom causes me to need to
relieve myself.
Electricmojoman: You can either go in 2 directions here. You can believe that
Star Wars and weather modification is not possible and walk away knowing you proved
to yourself it is not true. Or you can spend time watching Satellite, Radars, The
sky outside, Highs and lows and documenting blast/strange activity. I and many
find direct correlations between the activity and current news.
Like I said above, I'm not arguing any of the above. But I've seen no evidence
that radar anomalies are anything more than anomalies.
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-08-2004 11:24 AM
Look, I'm going to spell this out to you plain and simple. Your little 2 week intensive
research was a waste of time and really does show your lack of common sense. You
assumed right out of the gate that I was stating these radars are active all the
time. At what point did you conclude that? This is paramount to me even wanting to
waste my time taking on your sentence by sentence post. You also DID neglect to answer
whether you believe in weather modification or not. You came into this forum and tried
to discredit me without my knowledge. That is a bit shady in my view. I am here to
take you on but you need to show me that you accept real facts of the ENTIRE topic
here before I go stepping into you anal retentive world of believe what NEXRAD tells you.
As for your experience, I am not impressed. I don't think you know much about scalar
electromagnetics or how HAARP does influence our sky. Try doing some research on Tom
Bearden and Zero Point energy! Radars work in Unison with this whole thing!
The way you came at me is like me telling you I was working at McDonalds for a week
and got promoted so you up and get hired expecting the same. Research is useless if
you do not have the correct mindset going into it. You jumped straight to my 3rd
column and pick something to study that was a useless study. If you had emailed me I
could have given you a better challenge.
ANYONE WHO LOOKS AT MY THIRD COLUMN WILL SEE A "MAGNETIC STRIP" CAUSED BY A BLAST.
This means that blast affected the air so much that it generated a charge from the
earth's positive sky.
You have not studied the Olympic 2002 data and I am sure of this. Anyone here who
has already knows that there is a lot more going on with radars. I'll even help you
out here http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/dmetallica/olympics/index.htm?mtbrand=AOL_US
Scroll to the bottom and watch the month of blast and beams that went off. It was the
most active ever and I am telling you now that if your gonna study radar anomalies,
your gonna have to start there. You also need to read up on the DOE experiments for
Salt Lake. http://www.rense.com/general5/study.htm
http://www.pnl.gov/VTMX/acceptedpro2.html http://www.pnl.gov/VTMX/index.html
Even after I gave you my 4 ingredients of weather control, which did not contain
radar anomalies, you still are chomping at the bit to win on your NEXRAD ground. Even
after I tell you that the anomalies have settled to a few places. Of which you would
have known by asking me.
Not everything is exact my friend. Our Government has done certain experiments in
which some worked and some did not. The radar blast stage was exactly that, a stage
in the experiment. You missed your calling I must say a year or so back. Now we are
dealing with Billings and North Platte. Both are sparking in unison and many times a
day. My common sense tells me that the unison part shows an electrical connection.
No matter what your view is of why one is doing it, you have to explain it for both
and then why they go off at the same time.
The week that California had a huge earthquake and mad cow showed up in WA state, I
caught a radar blasting in Northern California for 24-48 hours. This was before the
earth quake. I have all kinds of correlations. Of which I would have gladly shown
you but I don't think your coming into this with a correct mindset.
All the important questions I asked of you, BEFORE I SAID I COULD CONTINUE, you
failed to answer. Being as technical as you're trying to be and how you answer on
every quote, you seemingly skipped those main parts. I am technical to and I take
those hints!
I am not here to prove you wrong, you're here to prove me wrong so lets get the
structure straight. As far as I am concerned, class is in session and the people
viewing need to know your views on other things. If you do not believe in weather
modification, or chemtrails, or the power and uses for HAARP, then you are a
disinformant. Be it paid or just cuz you're bored.
As for the "No Radar Image Available" I have a whole host of blast animations that
never showed that. In fact, most sit there and blast away, while rotating mind you.
I never stated that all blast affect the air and I can clearly state that many could
just be calibrations. But you might want to go and research the calibration part. It
involves sending out higher strength signals to map out the echoes. If you go outside
and shoot a cap gun the echo is not going to go very far, if you go out and shoot a
cannon you can get quite a distance in your echo.
I only came to the conclusion that the blast could be used by finding correlation's
to High, lows and many other things just as the jetstream sticking right above a
radar that would be blasting for 2 or 3 days.
Your 2 weeks study was useless! Your whole first posting, other than the Nexrad
answers back to you, are meritless.
If you do not believe it you should walk on. Most people in here understand that
my work and the chemtrail activity is a conspiratorial view. I said at the outset that I
am no scientist. If you scientific mind concludes I'm insane in the membrane..then
walk on home man! I've concluded that by sheepishly coming in here to discredit me
without using ME, of all people, to do your research, speaks volumes. I may have
never seen this unless someone in here brought it to my attention. I wonder how many
other places you posted your limited study! Hmmmmm And I do believe you made some
comments about me being anonymous to.
The difference between us is that I came in and gave my views to the crowd first and
then I preceded to take your 2 week analyst on. Your rebuttal was lame and at this
point I am happy to let people read what you have said and what I have said and make
up their own minds.
First line of defense on my part is to decide if someone can accept some basic facts
and has the ability to open their mind. If they cannot do that then I could talk
till I am blue in the face and basically turn into a smurf.
So on that note, do your studies and such but please, don't go doing some 2 week study
and come to such a conclusion that you can come in here and post an article to discredit me.
tis really not very nice!
Peace out.
By the way, I do have a yahoo group for all who might want to join. If you set up your
account to receive emails you will be able to see my daily or weekly findings. I send
animations from Weathertap and even blast and beams that I catch. If anything I have
become really good at predicting weather=)
Email me at radarmatrix@aol.com
Posted By: letxa2000, 02-08-2004 12:36 PM
I'm not going to argue with you about your experience or mine or the value
of my research. I'll let the reader of this thread make that determination. But at
this point I stand by my initial investigation, its methods, and its conclusion.
Electricmojoman: You assumed right out of the gate that I was stating these radars
are active all the time. At what point did you conclude that?
I never said that nor concluded that. I picked sites that, somewhere on your site,
I found referenced or blast/spoke images displayed. Of those I found that Billings
and Reno were active. I never said that you stated that they all were active.
Electricmojoman: This is paramount to me even wanting to waste my time taking
on your sentence by sentence post.
That would not be a waste of time as I would very much like to hear your comments
and answers regarding my comments in my first reply to you. In my first reply I
answered your points about why only two sites show interference and why activity
at Reno is consistent with aircraft activity and not "beaming between sites." At
the very least I'd like your comments on those issues.
Electricmojoman: You also DID neglect to answer whether you believe in
weather modification or not. I am here to take you on but you need to show me that
you accept real facts of the ENTIRE topic here before I go stepping into you anal
retentive world of believe what NEXRAD tells you.
I already said I don't deny it. It is simply irrelevant when we are discussing
simple radar anomalies. As I said, if you can show that what we observe on NEXRAD
radars is something that cannot be explained as a simple radar anomaly, then we
have to look into other possibilities. But until then there is no logical or
scientific reason to look for explanations that are beyond the obvious and
documented radar anomalies.
You have the process backwards. You cannot start with the "entire topic" (that
you presumably believe is HAARP, chemtrails, weather control, etc.) and work back
to the anomalies. You need to start with the radar anomalies and show that they
couldn't be radar anomalies. Once you show that, then we open the possibilities
to other explanations at which point we can consider the rest of your topic. But
I refuse to be drawn into the whole HAARP-chemtrails-weather control debate until
you've shown that the radar anonalies are not simply radar anomalies.
Electricmojoman: You jumped straight to my 3rd column and pick something
to study that was a useless study.
I studied the possibility that the radar anomalies in your "3rd column" were
significant or could be reasonably explained by more down-to-earth explanations.
Given the fact that the images in your third column picture common radar anomalies
that are well-documented, jumping to the conclusion that they are anything but
radar anomalies is premature.
Electricmojoman: ANYONE WHO LOOKS AT MY THIRD COLUMN WILL SEE A "MAGNETIC STRIP"
CAUSED BY A BLAST. This means that blast affected the air so much that it generated
a charge from the earth's positive sky.
You are mistaking correlations for cause-effect. How do you prove that the blast caused it?
Electricmojoman: Even after I gave you my 4 ingredients of weather control, which
did not contain radar anomalies, you still are chomping at the bit to win on your NEXRAD
ground. Even after I tell you that the anomalies have settled to a few places. Of which
you would have known by asking me.
Like I said, I'm not trying to discredit HAARP, chemtrails, or weather control. I simply
did a study on the radar anomalies and have concluded that there is no reason to
believe they are anything but radar anomalies. Perhaps the rest of your theory is
completely correct, but there is no reason to believe the radar anomalies are evidence
to support it.
Electricmojoman: Now we are dealing with Billings and North Platte. Both are
sparking in unison and many times a day. My common sense tells me that the unison part
shows an electrical connection. No matter what your view is of why one is doing it,
you have to explain it for both and then why they go off at the same time.
I'm currently monitoring Billings, Glasgow, North Platte, and Hastings. I'll let that
run as long as necessary to witness the individual spoking and simultaneous spoking.
Then I'll get back to you on that. I'm also working on the program I mentioned that
will automatically detect radar anomalies and save only the interesting images.
If/when I get that working I might actually be able to monitor all 140 NEXRAD sites
since the program would only archive the images of interest rather than all the
uninteresting images. That would cut way down on the disk space consumption.
Electricmojoman: The week that California had a huge earthquake and mad
cow showed up in WA state, I caught a radar blasting in Northern California for
24-48 hours. This was before the earth quake. I have all kinds of correlations.
Of which I would have gladly shown you but I don't think your coming into this
with a correct mindset.
Again, you jump the gun and try to tie in all kinds of things before demonstrating
that we're seeing radar anomalies. Radar anomalies are a result of RF interference
and they are quite random based on other RF sources, lay of the land, and
atmospheric conditions. Yes, I'm sure that radar anomalies will sometimes coincide
with other events. But that doesn't mean that the two events have anything to do
with each other.
Electricmojoman: I am not here to prove you wrong, you're here to prove me
wrong so lets get the structure straight. As far as I am concerned, class is in
session and the people viewing need to know your views on other things. If you do
not believe in weather modification, or chemtrails, or the power and uses for HAARP,
then you are a disinformant. Be it paid or just cuz you're bored.
My viewpoints on those are completely irrelevant. We're talking about radar
anonalies, nothing more. If you'll read the CAVEAT of my original study you'll see
I most specifically did not dispute the possible uses or existince of HAARP,
chemtrails, or weather control.
Electricmojoman: As for the "No Radar Image Available" I have a whole host of
blast animations that never showed that. In fact, most sit there and blast away,
while rotating mind you.
Like I said, if they calibrate their radars correctly, they disable the radar feed
when they do so. That will result in a "No Radar Image Available" which I was able
to see during my study. In fact, I got one from Hastings this morning (2/8/2004
05:42 CST). I suspect the reason you used to see lots of blasts and now you see
fewer is because the radar operators have been reminded that they need to
disable the radar feed when calibrating them. Hence you'll now normally see
"No Radar Image Available" rather than blasts.
Again, I'd like to know what you mean by "while rotating."
Electricmojoman: I never stated that all blast affect the air and I can
clearly state that many could just be calibrations.
So how do you differentiate between a blast that is calibration and a blast that
is something else?
Electricmojoman: but you might want to go and research the calibration
part. It involves sending out higher strength signals to map out the echoes.
If you go outside and shoot a cap gun the echo is not going to go very far, if
you go out and shoot a cannon you can get quite a distance in your echo.
The calibration of NEXRAD is explained here. I don't see any reference to higher
strength signals.
Electricmojoman: I only came to the conclusion that the blast could be used
by finding correlation's to High, lows and many other things just as the
jetstream sticking right above a radar that would be blasting for 2 or 3 days.
As you said, you are finding correlations. Correlations do not prove that a blast is
causing any changes to lows, highs, or the jet stream. You'd need to prove that it's
not just a correlation but, in fact, a relation.
Electricmojoman: If you do not believe it you should walk on. Most people
in here understand that my work and the chemtrail activity is a conspiratorial
view. I said at the outset that I am no scientist. If you scientific mind concludes
I'm insane in the membrane..then walk on home man!
Sorry, I'm not going to go away just because you disagree with me. Quite frankly,
your site seems to make conspiratorial conclusions based, in part, on radar anomalies
that are nothing more than radar anomalies. This is easily demonstratable by
reviewing my study or people doing their own research into radar anomalies.
Electricmojoman: I wonder how many other places you posted your limited
study! Hmmmmm And I do believe you made some comments about me being anonymous to.
I've posted it nowhere else so far. I have considered creating a website and posting
it there though I haven't decided if I care to take it that far. That'll be based in
large part how this debate goes. If you treat me with respect and engage me on the
points of fact, perhaps it will just end here. If you continue to insult me and evade
my questions then I'll go to the ends of the earth to prove that I am right and you
will see me put up a site documenting my work.
I don't believe I made any comments about you being anoymous.
Electricmojoman: By the way, I do have a yahoo group for all who might want
to join. If you set up your account to receive emails you will be able to see
my daily or weekly findings. I send animations from Weathertap and even blast and
beams that I catch. If anything I have become really good at predicting weather=)
I monitor your Yahoo group. I don't see the images but as long as you mention
the name of the radar site or at least the state then that's plenty to get me
looking at the right place.
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-08-2004 05:34 PM
What is funny wolf_larson is that between you and Lex, your both about as anal
retentive as I've seen in a long time. And Both of your reputations preceed you.
Why 2 people are wasting their times on something they have no interest or belief
in speaks for itself. I could provide all evidence in the world and you would both
argue that the sun don't shine. And Lex, saying you "don't deny it" is a cop out.
I was asking you to accept that our government has been trying to influence weather
and I asked that question specifically to see that you allowed real facts on the
OVER ALL subject. Especially before I go forward. You dropped the ball.
Letxa: "You have the process backwards. You cannot start with the "entire topic" (that you
presumably believe is HAARP, chemtrails, weather control, etc.) and work back to the
anomalies. You need to start with the radar anomalies and show that they couldn't be radar
anomalies. Once you show that, then we open the possibilities to other explanations at
which point we can consider the rest of your topic. But I refuse to be drawn into the whole
HAARP-chemtrails-weather control debate until you've shown that the radar anonalies are
not simply radar anomalies. "
This statement alone should scramble most people's minds when they read that. I
already told you the anomalies are not a big part of the weather modification. At
one point, I believe they were more a part of the game. But due to people like myself
and others documenting the blast and correlating them, I believe they found other
ways to control. Cuz lets be honest, when you turn on the TV and see a "nuclear blast"
as the weather man/woman is giving your weather, is a bit hard to explain. I do how
ever believe that the blast or over charged radars DO add electricity to the air.
It is too bad I cannot post a picture inside my post. If there is a way let me know.
I do have specific evidence of lows and high popping up after a blast. The previously
mentioned "magnetic strip" that came AFTER the blast, struck that radar. You cannot
argue it! Now either you accept that energy just hit the radar and caused it or you
accept that a blast sparked energy to it. There is no skirting that.
There is no skirting the connection to Billings and North Platte sparking in Unison.
That is an electrical connection! People with common sense will get that!
As for Wolf.....your just a mouth! Your verbal assult adds to jack crap because
your no scientist so don't even try and play like you have a clue!
I mean how retarded do you have to be to sit in a forum you don't believe in?
Believe it or not Wolf, I could have wiped the floor clean by taking your post on. Your
an easy target!
Are you 2 joined at the hip? Because I gotta say, the whole point by point (gotta
win on every point) tactic....it so tiring. I do remember once dating a woman who
would completely avoid my whole email message and just find one sentence to score a
point on. That is what it reminds me of. I mean what am I suppose to do...knit pick
your knit picking so that you can knit pick my knit picking of your knit picking.
It would be a knit picking nightmare!
Imagine that post my friends. I think we would all get lost.
I honestly do not care what either of you think. I took the time, at the request of
people in here to respond. If my views don't add up then fly fly away! Electricmojo
is a moron I quite! big freakin deal! I truely believe this is my cause in life.
Electricity is increasing a lot now a days. People and animals are starting to be
affected by it. Especially in the winter time when air is as cold and dense as
it has been lately. I believe that Radars are adding to the current of electricity.
If you don't believe so then your case is made for you. Not me. I did not base my
views off of radar anomalies alone, There is a whole system involved that stems
from coming to a belief that chemtrails are real and trying to understand what
they were for. I then preceeded to find documentation and Patents that can not
be argued against. Plain and simple. From there I waited and watched for 3 years
and over that time I have correlated evidence to my theories. Sorry if you have
not seen them all but I have a life as well.
I cannot sit here and make proof out of words. I have some 3 CDs of animations
of the last 3 years. I know what I see.
If you believe weather modification never happened and JFK was shot by one man....so be it.
I will take your post Lex and mine and probably add it to my site. I think the back and
forth postings speak for themselve and at the least you put up a decent arguement. I
have no problem letting the 2 sides be seen and letting people decide. However, i
will add animations that you have not seen and I will take my case further. Your
free to do the same!
As for Wolf.....boohoo! Did the big bad conspiracy guy hurt your feelings? Did I
ruin you chemtrail post experience? Again, how big of a loser do you have to be to
sit on a board you have no belief in and talk crap all day? that spells Super loser!
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-08-2004 06:12 PM
These are examples of the vacuum created by the sun coming and going. Notice that
storm cells fire all over the US in one. There are not firing along a front
mind you. Where 2 air masses collide. They are forming for a horizontal plain in
which the vacuum draws down energy. The other animations will further prove the
vacuum exist. You will see clouds form along the rockies as it hit the peak.
That vacuum can fuel a Low that is stuck on the Denver ridge and allow it to grow.
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ElectricZenn/Mist/imagepages/olympics6.htm
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ElectricZenn/Mist/imagepages/olympics8.htm
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ElectricZenn/Mist/imagepages/olympics7.htm
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-08-2004 06:14 PM
My findings one the California Fires, the Jetstream and the Record size solar flares we had.
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/radarmatrix/CaliforniaFires/CaliforniaFires.html?mtbrand=AOL_US
Posted By: electricmojoman in response to Wolf Larson, 02-09-2004 09:09 AM
Why would I waste my time trying to justify my views to someone who does not
believe in chemtrails or weather modification?
Your a shit disturber and you know it.
The only question that needs to be answered here is what YOU believe! Do you believe
there are chemtrails? If so what do you think they are for? What do you think
they are made of? And if you don't, did your mom drop you on your head?
I look forwards to the answers!
Posted By: electricmojoman in response to Wolf Larson, 02-09-2004 09:29 AM
Wolf Larson: I post here, because I have fun poking holes in the half assed
psuedo-scintific drivel that gets passed around here.
Your rebuttals are just as half assed pseudo-scientific as anyone elses my friend. I
n fact even more because your in here just trying to stir shit up. You admitted as
much! So go locate your nearest mirror, raise your right hand, and repeat...I am a
hypocrite!
Wolf Larson: That is all for now. I look forward to your answers, but I
won't hold my breath waithing for you to actually address them. Like most hoaxters
you will avoid the questions with a personal attack or an attempt to change the subject.
That is a rather disproportionate thing to say considering I have come in here
to answer someone's findings and also to share my views. I am defended myself rather
well regardless of you not believing so. There is not a thing I could say and no
amount of facts I could throw at you to make you believe. You know it and I know it.
At least Lex was putting some time and research of his own into it. Your just a mouth!
It takes a supreme hypocrite to call someone a hoaxter and then say that you expect
that person to give you a personal attack. In the same sentence no less.
So your damn right I will you moron!
Posted By: electricmojoman in response to Wolf Larson, 02-09-2004 10:22 AM
Looks like you passed up responding to my second post. Which answers all your
questions. And YOU, like Lex did not answer my questions. One who reads my post and
your can very easily come to the conclusion that YOU are also quite good at
passing up questions. So tuche pussy cat.
Lex's study was a useless study. His NEXRAD emails are the only valid part of his
study worth mentioning. I gave him enough of a clue of what to study and the tools
to do so. It will be more than a week before he can conclude something on this
Posted By: electricmojoman in response to Wolf Larson, 02-09-2004 10:53 AM
You seem to be absent of common sense. I am not going to waste my time with you.
Point of fact: because I know you have been on the board for sometime and that you do
not believe in chemtrails or anything else for that matter. So logic is that if you
do not believe in it you should move on. I have not seen you bring any science to
dispute. And even if you did I could pull the same rank as you do to Carnicom and
say I don't believe it. It is a scientific study but you just chose to not see it as fact.
You cannot even answer simple questions. Do not act like your above the fray here because
I am pretty sure I can reference at least 2 or 3 times you put a label on me or
my work. I bet If I skim thru all your post I could find more!
Your not coming at me to learn and every one here knows that! I spend time explaining
my views and data with people who are curious and not morons who sit on a forum all
day trying to discredit. Discrediting actual data is some instances. This is why I
asked Lex to accept or deny certain real data on weather modification before I
even bothered. I just got "I don't deny it." So when someone initially denys fact
then why would I waste my time on stepping into the so called "conspiratoral"
aspects of what I am studying? Obviously it takes a leap of faith but the original
questions I ask are based on that faith.
I already stated that I am not a scientist, I do however work in the missile defense
field. I am a common man who is bringing forth theory. It is not my purpose to
convince nay sayers but to spark the interest of scientist and government
officials to look closer themselves. I am documenting weather and radar everyday!
My roll is to be a collector and gatherer of information. In my 3 years of studying
this I have formed theories in which evidence is bringing them to reality. My web
page is just an extension of my theory. Of which, I feel I am slowly adding fact
to. If you do wish to not believe it then move on.
I pick and chose my battles and people like you are useless to contend with.
Someone like Lex I can deal with. If he wanted to dig deeper and study the
radars I see doing extrodinary things, that seem to be affecting the weather
and adding electricity to the air, then we can go forward. Lex's seem to want
to do a limited study but I am all for that if he wants. Lex and I could come
up with some very very serious studies on the electrical output of radars and
their effects on the air. But past that I don't think Lex wants to correlate
that to GWEN towers, that chemtrails are a conductive material for radars or
the possible influence of HAARP, Over the Horizon radars and EMP's. So I'll
take his limited study and apply it to my theory!
To sit around and debate a nay sayer and hypocrite is useless!
Common sense resides in objectively seeing all sides of a box before you make a
conclusion on which path to take. Same goes in life. Someone who does not know
their path will be lead around. I see you not as a person with a path or the
ability to see all sides before coming to a conclusion. I see you as someone
who is trying to lead people around on a subject you do not believe in nor
do you meet the challenges that you put to others.
nuff said!
Posted By: electricmojoman in response to Wolf Larson, 02-09-2004 11:01 AM
Wolf Larson: Please be precise. Define what you are calling a vacuum. Describe the mechanism by
which the sun causes “vacuums.�
If you do not see a vacuum on the animations I posted that is your problem. I
think it is pretty obvious and the power of sunlight to the air and electricity
is pretty self evident to common sense!
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-09-2004 11:19 AM
By the way a very interesting radar to study is Yuma Arizona. This one has a
constant beam going all the time. No other radar in the US is like this one.
Not only is one beam constant but it sends beams in many directions over time.
Posted By: lexta2000, 02-09-2004 12:40 PM
Mojo:
I am going to bite my lip and ignore your name-calling and insults and try one more
time to ask you calmly about your radar anomaly theories. Again, please understand that
I, for one, am not going to get into a HAARP-chemtrail-weather modification debate at
this time. As my original study indicated, that was not the subject of my study. My
study was on the significance and probable explanations for the radar anomalies. If
you can show me that the anomalies are more than just anomalies then it will be
appropriate to talk about the rest of your theory. But the first step is establishing
why anyone should believe that events that are commonly recognized in radar literature
are anything but common radar anomalies.
So let me ask you my questions regarding radar anomalies. They were previously
scattered across a couple of my posts which you didn't respond to so I'll summarize
my current questions as follows:
1. Are radar anomalies important to your theory today? I.e., I got the impression
(from your other replies in this thread) that you believe radar anomalies were
important a couple of years ago, but not so much today. Is that correct?
2. Do you believe the radar anomalies at Billings and North Platte are important
today? If so, what do you believe is their significance, or what do you believe
the anomalies at Billings and North Platte represent?
3. Given that my study used radar data from Reno and Elko to triangulate the
source of the anomalies to restricted airspace east of Fallon, given that Top Gun
includes up to 50 aircraft flying simultaneously with up to 37 simulated and real
radars, and given that the "beams" from Reno move around "independently" (as if
tracking an aircraft), is it your position that you believe the radar anomalies
at Reno are something else besides Naval Aircraft? If so, why don't you believe
they are caused by the Naval aircraft and what do you think the anomalies
represent? You said earlier in this thread that you think it's a "weapon" and that
it is "radiating the ground." What do you mean?
4. You've said that "most sit there and blast away, while rotating mind you" as
well as that Reno "just sites there and hums with no rotation at all." What do
you mean by "rotation" in these two references?
I would remind you that the true test of any theory is its ability to stand up not
to those who believe in it, but to the skeptics so that the skeptics become
believers. Einstein proposed something that was thought crazy at that time, but
I don't think he ever resorted to name-calling and his theory was eventually
accepted even by his skeptics. I hope you will reply in a calm and reasoned
manner. If your theory is right, you will be able to do so logically,
scientifically, and rationally without resorting to name-calling or avoiding the
questions. If your theory is wrong (at least regarding the radar anomalies), I hope
you would be mature and practical enough to accept that possibility.
I would also remind you that I have not been insulting to you at any point and
would appreciate the same courtesy from you in the future.
To others besides Mojo that are commenting along the way: Those who proclaim to
believe in Mojo's work while the debate is still unfolding are demonstrating a
close-mindedness that is truly dangerous and does not speak well of the importance
they place on balanced research and investigation. Mojo himself has said that mine
was the first serious effort to question the radar aspect of his theory.
Questioning any theory is healthy and a necessary part of any scientific
process. To mock those who would question a theory, or write them off simply
as "neocons," is the ultimate evidence of close-mindedness and complete
ignorance to scientific process. Those that would automatically reject or mock
the first serious effort to question a theory in favor of the theory itself are
speaking boatloads of their mindset that would be best left unadvertised in public.
Posted By: electricmojoman in response to Wolf Larson, 02-09-2004 12:44 PM
Don't even get me started on 911.=) I have more facts than most on that!
I alone could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that 911 was organized from the
inside. In a court of law no less. The evidence is HUGE!
To argue otherwise would be a death sentence for ones common sense and for a
prolonged firewall against ones subconscious! AKA.... denial!
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-09-2004 01:36 PM
Well, Lex.....I do apologize for any negativity I have sent your way. Most have
piggy backed on responses to Wolf. You must understand that I deal with this a lot
and most are very rude to me. I am a fighter and I will attack someone verbally when
I get wind of their intentions. I cannot say you are of the same persuasion as Wolf
so again, I do apologize.
I did however, take it a little personal that I may have never heard of your study
that discredited me without my knowledge. So if we are going to be on the up and up
you need to understand this.
You also need to know that words are not facts. If we are going to get into this
in-depth, then I need to be able to send you data and you need to be signed up for
weathertap. Your also going to have to open your mind up to an over all view of
electricity in the air. Unfortunatley, I do not have much time right now to forceable
put all my data into a full fledged documentary to send to you. When i do I will
either post it or send it to you.
If you email me I will at the least give you a brief outline of what I am seeing
and a few animations to let you see that radars can and do affect the weather.
Anomalies are not constricted to just blast and beams. If you get on weathertap
and take a closer look you will find an array of oddities!
Posted By: electricmojoman in response to something off-topic, 02-09-2004 01:53 PM
Hold the phone! If we are going to stick to a subject we should start at chemtrails.
Especially in line with radars because it is my belief that the chemtrail activity is
strictly for the radars. It is my belief that radars on their own are not that big of
a problem. The chemtrails conductivity is what allows radars to influence more!
As for trying to hold people back from a 3 day conclusion, well, that is very
hipocritical on your part. You did a 2 week study and came to conclusions! If I had
not stepped in your conclusion would have stood. So you should admit as much!
Posted By: lexta2000, 02-09-2004 02:01 PM
Electricmojoman: I did however, take it a little personal that I may have
never heard of your study that discredited me without my knowledge. So if we are
going to be on the up and up you need to understand this.
I guess I understand that, but it wasn't my intention to discredit your site but
rather to debate the issue with others here at chemcentral that had recommended
that I visit your site. That you have chosen to participate is obviously even
better.
Electricmojoman: You also need to know that words are not facts. If we are
going to get into this in-depth, then I need to be able to send you data and you
need to be signed up for weathertap.
The anomalies I am studying are clearly visible directly from the free NOAA servers
and I'm sure WeatherTap gets its radar data directly from the NOAA. I don't see
any need to pay $6.95/month to see the same anomalies, plus they limit you to
just 600MB per month. I consumed that in a single week.
As for sending me data, I think the best way would be to simply place it on some
part of your website that I (and others) can access. Sending images via email is
not optimum and sending it directly to me via email will exclude everyone else
that may be interested in the topic.
Electricmojoman: Your also going to have to open your mind up to an over
all view of electricity in the air.
As I've said, now is not the time to explain your whole theory to me. Now is the
time to explain why the anomalies I have witnessed are anything but anomalies. In
other words, you have to start by explaining why the anomalies can't be anomalies
but must be something else. A good place to start would be with the four specific
questions I asked in my previous post.
Electricmojoman: As for trying to hold people back from a 3 day conclusion,
well, that is very hipocritical on your part. You did a 2 week study and came to
conclusions! If I had not stepped in your conclusion would have stood. So you
should admit as much!
My point is that the debate on this just began 3 days ago. Just as others that
are following this thread should be open to other possibilities, so should you
and so should I. My study provided a starting point for the debate. What I am
concerned with is those that would make up their mind so soon after the debate
has begun.
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-09-2004 02:18 PM
Lex, the debate would have never started if I was not told of it. Your 2 week
observation ended with conclusions. That you should admit.
If you are not going to get weathertap and cannot recieve emails then I am not
going to waste my time. I will eventually make my points on my own time but not
to prove a very narrow search into anomalies.
You need to spend time on that yourself. Without weathertap, your not going to
know where to look unless you waste everyday looking at every radar. Weathertap
is very different. Regardless of who is running them. The electricity shows
up 10 times better on national radars so that you know which radars are pumping
out more energy. Not anomalies...but real energy. Not calibrations either. Also
weathertap allows you to save the animations. I'm not sure how you saved your
images from the NOAA but I would guess that they are screen prints.
Your really not tempting me to go further to be honest. Your putting up walls
and limitations all the way.
Posted By: lexta2000, 02-09-2004 02:58 PM
Electricmojoman: Lex, the debate would have never started if I was not
told of it. Your 2 week observation ended with conclusions. That you should admit.
Yes, and the conclusions have not been refuted. The discussion has drifted to
chemtrails, HAARP, weather control, JFK, 9/11, people patting each other on the back...
anything and everything but radars anomalies.
Electricmojoman: If you are not going to get weathertap and cannot recieve
emails then I am not going to waste my time.
WeatherTap just repackages information available from NOAA. There's no reason to pay for it.
I can receive emails, I just prefer this whole debate to remain public.
Electricmojoman: Weathertap is very different. Regardless of who is running them.
The electricity shows up 10 times better on national radars so that you know which
radars are pumping out more energy. Not anomalies...but real energy. Not calibrations
either. Also weathertap allows you to save the animations. I'm not sure how you
saved your images from the NOAA but I would guess that they are screen prints. Without
weathertap, your not going to know where to look unless you waste everyday looking at
every radar.
I am a software engineer. I wrote a program that goes to the NOAA server and
downloads the radar image from each site and saves it as a GIF the corresponding
directory for each site every minute. This is what WeaterTap does before it
repackages it and sells it to you for $6.95/month. This is why I refuse to pay
for WeatherTap when I can get the same information directly from NOAA.
During my study I reviewed each of the 55,666 images manually. Yes, it was
time-consuming. No, I'm not going to do that anymore. I'm currently writing a
program that will automatically detect anomalies in the images downloaded directly
from NOAA so I don't have to manually find them. The program itself will automatically
notify me of every anomaly in the country.
Also, you should be aware that the national radar that WeatherTap (or NOAA, for
that matter) presents is a composite image of the latest images available from
all NEXRAD sites. That doesn't mean that it takes a "picture" of how everything
looked at a given instant. Each NEXRAD site is updating independently every
5-10 minutes. So when you look at your national radar you might being seeing an
image that consists of an image from Billings at 2:41PM and an image from North
Platte at 2:39PM and an image from Reno at 2:37pm. When your national radar
shows any number of sites "beaming" at the "same time," it's not really the
exact same time. It's an overall image of the data returned by each NEXRAD site
"sometime within the last 10 minutes."
If you're looking at a national radar map and have concluded that certain sites
are synchronized in their "beaming" you are very mistaken. That's why you need
to be looking at individual NEXRAD images because they tell you the time they
were taken. And even then, it's only accurate to the nearest minute so even if
two sites say 2:41pm (they're actually in UTC) you don't know if they were both
taken at 2:41.00 or maybe a few seconds apart. In fact, it's almost certain that
they weren't prepared at the exact same second.
Electricmojoman: I will eventually make my points on my own time but not
to prove a very narrow search into anomalies. You need to spend time on that
yourself. Your really not tempting me to go further to be honest. Your putting
up walls and limitations all the way.
My only limitation is that we talk about radar anomalies which was the subject
of my study and is the only thing I have disproved from your website. If you or
others want to talk about other topics, go ahead. But other topics weren't a
part of my study and I'm not going to deal with them. I'm not trying to refute
your entire theory, I'm simply demonstrating that the radar anomalies you have
cited are nothing but radar anomalies. Whether or not that's important to your
overall theory is an entirely different issue.
Will you be getting back to me on the 4 questions I asked you in my previous post?
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-09-2004 07:24 PM
Oh Geez, Enough with the knit picking already Lex. Your so anal retentive. And I
say that not to be mean but as an honest observation. If need be I will do a 2
week study to prove this the case. But I must tell you now...it will only be on
anal retentive, not anything else. LOL
I have absolutely no interest in debating you anymore. Your narrow minded, limited
in your study and limited in you ability.
You just plainly stated that you proved my radar anomaly theory wrong. So why the
need to debate. Score yourself a point and go party with it.
Any reasonable person can conclude from our exchange that, even in your technical
world of limited debate on radar anomalies and you narrow ability to get the
resources or accept my resources is paramount to your need to not be proven wrong.
Your basically trying to cage me in or box me into a corner so that you can finally
find a "AHA, I gotcha!" A good tactic but I am a much wiser man. I am even more
resourceful in the arena of politics. And both you and Wolf need to stop
complaining about other people chiming in their thoughts. geeez. Most people don't
have the time or need to go studying every little detail. The knowledge is not
going to serve them any better or any worse for knowing the truist of realities or
just pondering the reality. I even have a hard time finding time to do this. Don't
go badgering people. Do you see me all over the plae trying to force my view down
people's throats? No.
Lex, you do not have the capability to research this on it's merits. Plain and simple.
You lack common sense as well. I have no problem knowing that there are holes in my
theories but my over all understanding is pretty darn good. I have spent the last
3 years of my life in this very deeply. You have not. Your limited entrance into
this arena should humble your ego down a notch. You can talk till your blue in
the face, or at least type on every sentence, but your not ready for this debate.
Just on the radar anomalies alone, I could send so many questions your way you would
lose yourself and your credibility because I feel you have an answer for everything.
Someday I will put more of my work on my site and explain further and then you can
run free on those radar anomalies. But like I said, unless you have weathertap, your
not gonna see which ones are highly active. It is just a plain fact. I have 3 years
of watching weather under my belt so give me some credit here. Your view that NOAA
national is the same IS false. Anyone who looks at the 2 national radars can see
that. Just chalk that one up to another false belief not supported by fact.
Radar anomalies go far far beyond the blast. I only added the blast because they
were so prevalent a while back. Again from only 10% of radars. Quite often from
those. So that was a whole lot of calibration that the other 90% never got in 3
years and a whole lot of calibration for the 10%. Use your common sense here.
That should tell you something about those radars! I could show you all kind of
different acting radars. Of which would all need to be explained for their
different returns at different times.
If this is your chosen pigeon hole then peck away. I'm not going to say you
lost the challenge but you lost my respect and interest. I have given you enough
to go on your own. Be free!
Posted By: lexta2000, 02-09-2004 08:11 PM
Electricmojoman: Oh Geez, Enough with the knit picking already Lex. Your so
anal retentive. And I say that not to be mean but as an honest observation. If need
be I will do a 2 week study to prove this the case. But I must tell you now...it
will only be on anal retentive, not anything else. LOL
So much for an intelligent debate and any claims that you haven't called me names.
You're the first "expert" I know that, when asked questions about his area of
expertise, calls the questioner names and accuses him of nitpicking. I'm glad the
radar operators I contacted didn't reply that way.
Electricmojoman: You just plainly stated that you proved my radar anomaly
theory wrong. So why the need to debate. Score yourself a point and go party with it.
I've said that you are wrong because I did a study and absolutely no-one, even you
"the expert", has answered my simple questions. What other conclusion am I to draw?
Electricmojoman: Any reasonable person can conclude from our exchange that, even
in your technical world of limited debate on radar anomalies and you narrow ability
to get the resources or accept my resources is paramount to your need to not be
proven wrong. Your basically trying to cage me in or box me into a corner so that
you can finally find a "AHA, I gotcha!" A good tactic but I am a much wiser man.
A much wiser man would simply have answered my questions confident that their answers
won't cause them to be cornered into a box. An even wiser man would not be afraid of
being cornered into a box if it allows his own knowledge or understanding to grow.
And any reasonable person would conclude from your failure to answer 4 simple questions
that you are afraid that answering them will lead to the conclusion that you are wrong.
How wise you actually are is left as an excercise to the reader.
Electricmojoman: Most people don't have the time or need to go studying every
little detail.
I'm suspecting that that's why "most people" here actually think you've made any
kind of a case for your radar amomaly theories. They don't have time to research
this themselves, your theory is more compatible with their mindset, so they just
believe you. It's unfortunate, really.
Electricmojoman: Don't go badgering people. Do you see me all over the
plae trying to force my view down people's throats? No.
I'm not forcing my view down anyone's throat. I've been asking you questions.
None have been answered. I'm also not badgering anyone--JBE accused me of
namecalling or underhanded comments which I have not engaged in in this entire
thread. That she sees fit to badger me as if I've commited some wrong in this
thread was very strange, hence my reply to her.
Electricmojoman: Lex, you do not have the capability to research this
on it's merits. Plain and simple. You lack common sense as well.
I do not have the capability to research this on its merits? I lack common sense?
Common sense tells me that:
1. All the radar anomalies I have seen have been explained as common radar
anomalies both by technical literature and by radar operators. Common sense
dictates that unless someone can provide an explanation of why they aren't
common radar anomalies, then they most probably are common radar anomalies.
I've asked questions that might lead me to conclude that they weren't just
radar anomalies, but no-one has answered the questions.
2. If I ask a question of a supposed expert and they complain about being
cornered in a box, it's because they know their answers will cause them to
be cornered in a box. This is tacit acknowledgement of a failure in the
theory, your confidence in it, and/or your fear of being wrong.
3. That if the the most notable contribution of "the expert" has been
name-calling when I have not once called anyone a name or been insulting,
that that expert doesn't have much to contribute to the discussion.
Common sense? I'd have to suspend common sense to believe you right now.
Electricmojoman: I have no problem knowing that there are holes in my
theories but my over all understanding is pretty darn good. I have spent the
last 3 years of my life in this very deeply. You have not.
I think that's the problem. You have invested 3 years of your life in something
which has been proven incorrect in less than 3 weeks with a little Googling and
contacting a number of experienced radar operators. I can understand you wouldn't
want to think you've been spending the last 3 years of your life chasing bugs
in the radar systems or that you should've been hired by the NEXRAD network to
help them with their quality control. But that's what common sense tells me at
this point.
Electricmojoman: Your limited entrance into this arena should humble your
ego down a notch.
What ego? I've been asking you questions! And you respond with name-calling? I
have no ego problem. But having my questions ignored and answered with insults
and name-calling is something I don't think I've ever experienced since I left
grade school. I'm not even sure I remember that happening in grade school, for
that matter.
Electricmojoman: You can talk till your blue in the face, or at least type
on every sentence, but your not ready for this debate. Just on the radar
anomalies alone, I could send so many questions your way you would lose yourself
and your credibility because I feel you have an answer for everything.
Do it. I don't care about my credibility, it's not like I have much credibility
in the eyes of others here at chemcentral anyway. If there is something going on,
I want to know it. If there's not something going on, I want everyone else here to know.
Ask your radar anomaly questions. Humble me. Embarass me. But if you can do it
without name-calling it'd be much appreciated. Thank you.
Electricmojoman: Someday I will put more of my work on my site and explain
further and then you can run free on those radar anomalies. But like I said, unless
you have weathertap, your not gonna see which ones are highly active. It is just a
plain fact. I have 3 years of watching weather under my belt so give me some
credit here. Your view that NOAA national is the same IS false. Anyone who looks
at the 2 national radars can see that. Just chalk that one up to another false
belief not supported by fact.
Interesting I just found this site from way back in 1998. It confirms everything
I've said, including the fact that services such as WeaterTap use NOAA feeds and
explains many of the anomalies. You think WeatherTap has its own set of multi-million
dollar Doppler radars nationwide? And they just happen to show anomalies the
same time NOAA does? Talk about using common sense...
Electricmojoman: Radar anomalies go far far beyond the blast. I only added the
blast because they were so prevalent a while back. Again from only 10% of radars. Quite
often from those. So that was a whole lot of calibration that the other 90% never
got in 3 years and a whole lot of calibration for the 10%. Use your common sense
here. That should tell you something about those radars! I could show you all kind
of different acting radars. Of which would all need to be explained for their
different returns at different times.
Go for it! Show them! I will happily investigate each issue. When it comes to radar
anomalies, show me the beef. Meanwhile, you need to look
here and
here. Your
anomalies are well known and they're working on fixing the software. A lot of this
all started when the NEXRAD NIDS contract was terminated:
"However, when the data distribution was decentralized, and the Next Generation Weather
Radar (NEXRAD) Information Dissemination Service (NIDS) contract ended, near real-time
radar data began showing up on Internet in its more basic, unfiltered form. This provided
individuals and businesses with unfettered access to this information. Unfortunately, the
majority of these users had little or no training to determine the quality of the data they
were using." (Source)
Electricmojoman: If this is your chosen pigeon hole then peck away. I'm not
going to say you lost the challenge but you lost my respect and interest. I have given
you enough to go on your own. Be free!
I had hoped for an intelligent debate and to perhaps get some questions answered
from you. You didn't answer a single question, called me names, and insulted me on
several occasions. I've been very tolerant and, unfortunately, that tolerance
has achieved nothing. Not even some answers. I'm disappointed, but not entirely
surprised.
Posted By: electricmojoman, 02-09-2004 08:57 PM
YAWN! I cannot even read your post anymore. You tell me to do things that you have
already said you cannot do. Welcome to my cage!
And who said I was an expert? Anyone? Did I not say at the outset that I was
not a scientist? I do, however have 3 years and many facts to back my views up.
Your limited in your ablility to take what I can give in data and unwilling to
view from the same data source.
Welcome to my corner!
Quit acting like your above the fray. My best guess is that you in your 20's no?
The knit picking does piss me off. And it has nothing to do with debating on radar
anomalies. That debate is only going to happen in the forum of data that I have
and data you should be willing to go get. Your not interested in studying radar
and the possibility that the energy from them and chemtrails giving them a fertile
ground to interact with weather. Your only reason here is to discredit. You have
officially walked yourself into a corner.
Now I am walking away....corner free=)
be free!
For the rest of you who are paying attention. I will eventually post some of
my stuff to my web and see if i can show them in here.
take care!
You have only YOU to blame for not having this debate. I offered up and you denied.
Not only that, your in denial of much of what I have said.
Your a pigeon hole just waiting for a little morsal to chew on.
Posted By: electricmojoman in response to me to someone else, 02-09-2004 10:09 PM
Common sense is Lex, that negativity comes in more than one form. The way you came at
me or shall I say, came around me, was a huge negative to me personally. You did not
bother to research the person your researching. You did not ask see what data I use
to arrive at my beliefs. As far as I'm concerned you sitting at your desk with a
big ole' F.U. pointing my way, in the way you came after me.
So maybe no one can find the word IS in your sentence and if they did, your meaning
of IS is not the same as mine. Your looking for the most anal of things and your
research is as narrow.
Do you actually think I want this stuff to be true? Your out of your mind? I would
LOVE for you to prove me wrong. So that the next day I wake up I don't have to worry
about an electrical grid right on top on my head. HAARP, my friend, is basically
the outlet in your house. The magnetic energy around the earth is the outlet of
untold energy and HAARP is the plug in. HAARP's rows of antenna's pulsing energy
upwards will add electricity to the lowest levels of atmosphere. It may very well
be that the dome of energy that radars send out touches that layer. Chemtrails
May actually be conductive material. Please oh mighty do not take this time to
go back to make a point that your talking strictly about radar anomalies
HAARP and the Electrojet oh my! We are plugged into a HUGE amount of electricity
now. You have no concept of magnetics, EM energy, scalar electromagnetics or
energy itself. I suggest you read over the document you just posted and many
more on the above topics!
Your concept of energy has a long way to go. I may not be a scientist but I
do have a very nonlinear thought pattern. Which mean I have the ability to
analyze a lot of data and come up with reasons for things that I see.
I understand the power! I wish it not true! I truly fear for people and the
effects the EM energy.
Your limitation is being played over and over like a broken record. Common sense
needs to be gained. You need to go take some time and space from this forum and
do a serious study. I seriously doubt you will waste all the necessary time and
resources on something you do not wanna believe. If you do....you'll love the
journey. TRUST ME! It is very fascinating and you'll become one hell
of a meteorologist.
I am moving on for now. If you wish to maintain my respect in the future, you
will start by prefacing your first post by telling them that I do respond and
maybe even add a link to it.
I will repost your document that you found. It actually has some good things in
it but unfortunately I have no idea how to see the pictures and I don't recall
enterprisemission having radar anomalies on it. I'm kind of suspicious when i
see the word Debunk in an actual HTML. Which is not scientific data mind you!
LOL. http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/nexrad/Radarexp.htm
However, the power is self-evident on radars and the other many aspects out
there helping this EM field. It is not a linear thing by any means! Electromagnetic
is the zeros and ones of the matrix! 010101010101010
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